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	<title>Comments on: Fourteen Questions about the Greenberg/McCain mess</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Roemer - Photo Change We Can Believe In (?)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Roemer - Photo Change We Can Believe In (?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m catching up on the buzz around this.  Mark Tucker has Fourteen Questions the incident raises plus lots of links to comments around the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!! - Page 4 - RetouchPRO</title>
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		<dc:creator>The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!! - Page 4 - RetouchPRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!    here ya go demystify this  http://marktucker.wordpress.com/2008...rgmccain-mess/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 06:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill Greenberg is scheduled to be a presenter at AIGA&#039;s 2009 Make Think Conference in Memphis. I overestimated AIGA as a professional organization.</description>
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		<title>By: Jill Greenberg and John McCain - Atlantic Monthly Shoot &#171; Photographic Education - JerryCentral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Greenberg and John McCain - Atlantic Monthly Shoot &#171; Photographic Education - JerryCentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the set that is now been removed from her site but are available if you have the stomach for it.  Mark Tucker a great editorial and commercial Photographer has posed a set of forteen questions about... 3. If Greenberg was truly being an “artist”, why didn’t she submit ONLY the second setup, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter Greenberg&#039;s talent (which is considerable) her decision to intentionally lambast her subject and, in doing so, put her client in a terrible position speaks poorly to her character. Her statement that, &quot;they were irresponsible&quot; in hiring her &quot;given her politics&quot; shows an immature mind that is not trustworthy. I&#039;ve met her before and the impression she left me with was that she was pretty coarse and rough around the edges. Clearly, that is evident in this McCain business, which I would say is the equivalent of a 14 year old defacing a book in the public library. Not a big deal, a cheap stunt, but either way she&#039;s going to the principle. And you and I, like High School kids, are watching her go and we&#039;re talking about it. This is what she wanted all along. Attention. She will get sentenced to detention come out of it fine and be working again, probably stronger than ever. Life will go on for her and it will go on for us. However, it is a shame that the kid who is the most aggravating and disturbing gets all the attention, while those of us who play smart, work hard, and follow the rules can easily be ignored. 

One last thing to think about is that, Jill Greenberg comes from a lot of money. She doesn&#039;t have to worry about her next job. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if we were like that too. Maybe we should all be unethical assholes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter Greenberg&#8217;s talent (which is considerable) her decision to intentionally lambast her subject and, in doing so, put her client in a terrible position speaks poorly to her character. Her statement that, &#8220;they were irresponsible&#8221; in hiring her &#8220;given her politics&#8221; shows an immature mind that is not trustworthy. I&#8217;ve met her before and the impression she left me with was that she was pretty coarse and rough around the edges. Clearly, that is evident in this McCain business, which I would say is the equivalent of a 14 year old defacing a book in the public library. Not a big deal, a cheap stunt, but either way she&#8217;s going to the principle. And you and I, like High School kids, are watching her go and we&#8217;re talking about it. This is what she wanted all along. Attention. She will get sentenced to detention come out of it fine and be working again, probably stronger than ever. Life will go on for her and it will go on for us. However, it is a shame that the kid who is the most aggravating and disturbing gets all the attention, while those of us who play smart, work hard, and follow the rules can easily be ignored. </p>
<p>One last thing to think about is that, Jill Greenberg comes from a lot of money. She doesn&#8217;t have to worry about her next job. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if we were like that too. Maybe we should all be unethical assholes?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Borgman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Borgman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a liberal conservative things like this push me more and more over to the right.  I ride the fence on many issues but now I see so much hatred coming from &quot;liberals&quot; like Greenberg I just don&#039;t want to agree with Democrats about anything.  Now NObama is busted hiring a big time ad agency to spew &quot;grassroots&quot; lies about Sarah Palin.  How low will they go?  All the hatred and lies, I can no longer identify with any the Dems stand for.  What if I shot NObama in a monkey suite eating is own shit for a magazine job?  How would you left-wing radicals feel about that?  Yes, it&#039;s justifiable considering all the stuttering lies he&#039;s told so far, but is it appropriate?  Hell NO!!  And I can&#039;t believe there are actually a few idiots (moosehead and friends)that actually support this type of terrorism. 

This stupid act by a once respected photographer is going to have an effect on all of us shooters, at least for awhile.  I&#039;ve already heard of photogs loosing new accounts and being grilled about &quot;out takes.&quot;  Clients don&#039;t have the money to make mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a liberal conservative things like this push me more and more over to the right.  I ride the fence on many issues but now I see so much hatred coming from &#8220;liberals&#8221; like Greenberg I just don&#8217;t want to agree with Democrats about anything.  Now NObama is busted hiring a big time ad agency to spew &#8220;grassroots&#8221; lies about Sarah Palin.  How low will they go?  All the hatred and lies, I can no longer identify with any the Dems stand for.  What if I shot NObama in a monkey suite eating is own shit for a magazine job?  How would you left-wing radicals feel about that?  Yes, it&#8217;s justifiable considering all the stuttering lies he&#8217;s told so far, but is it appropriate?  Hell NO!!  And I can&#8217;t believe there are actually a few idiots (moosehead and friends)that actually support this type of terrorism. </p>
<p>This stupid act by a once respected photographer is going to have an effect on all of us shooters, at least for awhile.  I&#8217;ve already heard of photogs loosing new accounts and being grilled about &#8220;out takes.&#8221;  Clients don&#8217;t have the money to make mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I don&#039;t exactly get it. If the photo is so bad, why did the magazine publish it? I think it gives him character. (And yes, Obama&#039;s where my vote is going.) So if Jill hadn&#039;t said anything then nobody would have noticed, right?

It reminds me of when the press declared that Edwards couldn&#039;t be president because he yelled ... and it stuck. I think too many people are swayed by meaningless non-issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I don&#8217;t exactly get it. If the photo is so bad, why did the magazine publish it? I think it gives him character. (And yes, Obama&#8217;s where my vote is going.) So if Jill hadn&#8217;t said anything then nobody would have noticed, right?</p>
<p>It reminds me of when the press declared that Edwards couldn&#8217;t be president because he yelled &#8230; and it stuck. I think too many people are swayed by meaningless non-issues.</p>
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		<title>By: JVS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-10-01/contributor.php

I wonder if TM will ever hire her again?</description>
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<p>I wonder if TM will ever hire her again?</p>
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		<title>By: bigcooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigcooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this type of stuff because it always has an opposite effect.

It&#039;s like those 57 year old hippies that cruise around in worn out Honda civics, blowing huge plumes of blue smoke, one broken tail light plastered with Save The Whales and Buck Fush bumper stickers. They play directly into the hands of their sworn adversaries and take away from their cause, because when your that stupid you have no validity.

The voters setting on the fence in middle America will look at this stunt from the &quot;liberal Canadian&quot; and see it as a cheap shot.  It may not move them to vote for McCain but after a few more Sarah Bernhardt rape comments it just might.

Then again, does Jill Greenberg really care.

I doubt it.

She got massive attention and as anyone that has lived in El Lay will tell you, 75% of the West Side population would set them self on fire for publicity, good or bad.

Next you will see the vampire manipulation photo hanging in a Soho or Santa Monica gallery and eventually some dumb ass developer will buy it for $300,000.

$300,000 is a better pay day than the $500 editorial fee.

This all works out for the best, other than the next time any of us are hired to shoot for a magazine the raw files are going to go into the publicist&#039;s Louis Vittoun briefcase and we will be patted down by security to insure we don&#039;t have an extra cf card hidden in our shoe.

For Jill, she&#039;ll make a few bucks and once this becomes old news go back to frightening babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this type of stuff because it always has an opposite effect.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like those 57 year old hippies that cruise around in worn out Honda civics, blowing huge plumes of blue smoke, one broken tail light plastered with Save The Whales and Buck Fush bumper stickers. They play directly into the hands of their sworn adversaries and take away from their cause, because when your that stupid you have no validity.</p>
<p>The voters setting on the fence in middle America will look at this stunt from the &#8220;liberal Canadian&#8221; and see it as a cheap shot.  It may not move them to vote for McCain but after a few more Sarah Bernhardt rape comments it just might.</p>
<p>Then again, does Jill Greenberg really care.</p>
<p>I doubt it.</p>
<p>She got massive attention and as anyone that has lived in El Lay will tell you, 75% of the West Side population would set them self on fire for publicity, good or bad.</p>
<p>Next you will see the vampire manipulation photo hanging in a Soho or Santa Monica gallery and eventually some dumb ass developer will buy it for $300,000.</p>
<p>$300,000 is a better pay day than the $500 editorial fee.</p>
<p>This all works out for the best, other than the next time any of us are hired to shoot for a magazine the raw files are going to go into the publicist&#8217;s Louis Vittoun briefcase and we will be patted down by security to insure we don&#8217;t have an extra cf card hidden in our shoe.</p>
<p>For Jill, she&#8217;ll make a few bucks and once this becomes old news go back to frightening babies.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that many give tacit approval to this garbage because of their political views. I can hear the howls if it came from the other direction.

How about portraying Obama with a big, flat nose, big fat lips, a big afro, plenty of tattoos, smoking crack and doing his &#039;ho&#039; from the rear? Don&#039;t forget the diamond-crusted bling. Maybe a prayer rug too? Would that be just &#039;interpretation&#039;? Or maybe a ploy so the opposition can be accused?

By all means, let&#039;s do call a spade a spade! After all, it would only be a frickin&#039; photograph! 

Professionalism? Personal ethics? Where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that many give tacit approval to this garbage because of their political views. I can hear the howls if it came from the other direction.</p>
<p>How about portraying Obama with a big, flat nose, big fat lips, a big afro, plenty of tattoos, smoking crack and doing his &#8216;ho&#8217; from the rear? Don&#8217;t forget the diamond-crusted bling. Maybe a prayer rug too? Would that be just &#8216;interpretation&#8217;? Or maybe a ploy so the opposition can be accused?</p>
<p>By all means, let&#8217;s do call a spade a spade! After all, it would only be a frickin&#8217; photograph! </p>
<p>Professionalism? Personal ethics? Where?</p>
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